[PATCH] drm: Document code of conduct

Tue Apr 11 15:31:17 UTC 2017

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Luc Verhaegen <libv at skynet.be> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 04:58:51PM +0300, Jani Nikula wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017, Luc Verhaegen <libv at skynet.be> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 03:36:32PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Luc Verhaegen <libv at skynet.be> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 03:24:04PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Luc Verhaegen <libv at skynet.be> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 08:48:15AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> >> >> >> freedesktop.org has adopted a formal&enforced code of conduct:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://www.fooishbar.org/blog/fdo-contributor-covenant/
>> >> >> >> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeOfConduct/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Besides formalizing things a bit more I don't think this changes
>> >> >> >> anything for us, we've already peer-enforced respectful and
>> >> >> >> constructive interactions since a long time. But it's good to document
>> >> >> >> things properly.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Note: As Daniel Stone mentioned in the announcement fd.o admins
>> >> >> >> started chatting with the communities their hosting, which includs the
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "started" and "chatting"? That is very weakly formulated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Intentionally so ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> X.org foundation board, to figure out how to fan out enforcement and
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > This was not voted upon or even mentioned during the last board meeting.
>> >> >> > And i think the next board meeting is only in 2 days time. As such, this
>> >> >> > seems like it is not something that's officially sanctioned by the X.org
>> >> >> > foundation board, but you sure do try to make it sound like such.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ... because it is not yet sanctioned by the board in any way. So not
>> >> >> exactly sure where you're reading this into my commit message, because
>> >> >> it wasn't my intention to make it sounds like this is sanctioned by
>> >> >> the xorg board officially, nor did I state that anywhere. I just said
>> >> >> that discussions already started to happen, that's really all there
>> >> >> is.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for making that clear.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah I understand the confusion, since it wasn't clear that this mail
>> >> was written by me with my drm maintainer hat on, not me in my role as
>> >> xorg bod secretary. Nor me as an intel employee. I should have made
>> >> that clearer.
>> >
>> > I was not confused about that, especially since you mentioned the board.
>> > But this clearly was not something already approved by the X.org
>> > foundation board.
>>
>> Since there is a lot of "it" and "this" in both your and Daniel's
>> messages, without clarifying what you're both actually talking about, I
>> think for clarity it should be noted that, AFAIU, the decision to adopt
>> the CoC is up to the freedesktop.org admins, not the X.org board, and
>> the discussion about enforcing is to take place between the two.
>
> It's the way in which this is being done that makes me very weary of
> this code of conduct.
>
> It seems like a very unilateral move, quite likely by just a single
> person. There is no record of any prior discussion, not with the
> affected projects, not on any mailing list, not on the irc channels
> where i am on (and i doubt it is logged publicly anywhere). This commit
> Daniel Vetter just posted comes the closest to any discussion, wayland
> never was so lucky. This feels like the typical freedesktop.org move,
> and i am quite allergic to those as i and the projects i have been
> involved in have been the target of such unilateral decisions several
> times.
>
> I see the mentioning of the X.org foundation board here as an attempt to
> give this surprise Code of Conduct some gravitas which it didn't
> deserve, as it was far too easily debunked. The board of directors never
> voted on this, and i would like to see the emails of the discussion
> prior to this mentioning here. If there were any, they were not before
> the surprise wayland commit.
>
> I would welcome such a code of conduct though, if it had been the result
> of an honest, open and transparent community discussion. But that's not
> something i have often seen at freedesktop.org. And i have a feeling as
> to how it will be applied and who or what projects it will be applied
> to, and how transparent that process will be. If people would be
> interested in seeing this Code of Conduct retro-actively, i might have a
> few cases that i would want to bring up, though.

At least for the dri-devel community I have chatted with 20+ of the
regular contributors about this (in a specific case, which for obvious
reasons I don't want to discuss in the court of public opinion before
it's necessary), and only 2 went "meh, I don't care". Everyone else
seemed to support rolling out a formal&enforced code of conduct, so at
least for the dri-devel community I do believe that this has the full
support of the entire community. We will know this for sure over the
next few days, when the acks/r-b and potentially concerns roll in. I
have also discussed this with various folks at various conferences
since quite a while already.

I also don't think (again, in the context of dri-devel) that this
presents any change, when there's a heated discussions and e.g. Dave
or me go a bit too much into grumpy maintainer mode, other people
called us out and we tuned down and apologized (like everyone else).
So we live this CoC already, at least as I see it here. Overall I
think that at least for dri-devel this wasn't a surprise. But since it
is a bit a complicated topic, these discussions largely happened in
private over irc and at conferences, hence there's no record of them.

But again this is just about dri-devel, I can obviously not speak for
all the other communities on freedesktop.org. And the discussion
within x.org bod have only just started (in a more formal way on the
board@ list, I chatted with a few board members already in private of
course), so can't speak for the board either.
-Daniel
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Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
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